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	<title>Comments on: Rates: the BoE is not independent &#8211; it has a political mandate</title>
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		<title>By: Martin Hyams</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/10/rates-the-boe-is-not-independent-it-has-a-political-mandate/comment-page-1/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Hyams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steven,

by zero-based I mean a money system that always resolves to zero - so yes, no debt, and no interest rates. A money 

system that is issued by the state and that reflects our need for money as &quot;a means of exchange&quot; to facilitate trade and &quot;a measure of value&quot; and 

nothing more. 

The debt-based money system is so dsyfunctional that - re. measure of value - the poorest country in the world is the USA 

with combined debts of $15 trillion or so. Gimme a break!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steven,</p>
<p>by zero-based I mean a money system that always resolves to zero &#8211; so yes, no debt, and no interest rates. A money </p>
<p>system that is issued by the state and that reflects our need for money as &#8220;a means of exchange&#8221; to facilitate trade and &#8220;a measure of value&#8221; and </p>
<p>nothing more. </p>
<p>The debt-based money system is so dsyfunctional that &#8211; re. measure of value &#8211; the poorest country in the world is the USA </p>
<p>with combined debts of $15 trillion or so. Gimme a break!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem isn&#039;t so much a high cash rate (and so mortgage rates) now, it&#039;s more that people have 

borrowed too much money. There is too much debt. It seems to be a failure of regulation. Where the regulators asleep lately to notice the housing 

bubble and the debt bubble?

As for the BoE&#039;s independence. I am not sure about that but doesn&#039;t someone need to give a mandate to the 

central bank? There decisions guided by that mandate, however, _are_ independent, aren&#039;t they?

A 0.5% rate cut seem pretty significant. 

Mortgage rates don&#039;t seem that high. A lower rate wouldn&#039;t help if you were unemployed (unless the rate was almost zero). The BoE has already cut 

the cash rate to below CPI!! This seems mad to me but I guess it&#039;s a sign of panic at all levels including the govt.

Not everyone is up to 

their eyeballs in debt. I am a saver who chose not to buy into an already overblown housing market back in the late 1990&#039;s and early 2000&#039;s. 

Frankly, I don&#039;t want to see run away inflation decimate my hard earned savings.

I don&#039;t know how things can &quot;get right&quot; again without a 

great deal of pain. A new monetary system could be part of climbing out of the ditch.

Hi Martin, I&#039;m not sure what a zero-based money 

system is but I reckon that people will certainly be thinking about changing the monetary system. If you are interested, I would recommend reading 

about Austrian Economics. A good place to start is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://mises.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mises Institute&lt;/a&gt;. Perhaps you mean a zero-debt 

system? That would be similar to a fixed fiat system. Perhaps we will return to the gold standard. We certainly need some natural or imposed limits 

of the expansion of money.

Some people have seen this crisis coming for a long time. I just watched the &quot;Nov 2006 Peter Schiff Mortgage 

Bankers Speech&quot; on YouTube. It&#039;s very useful listening. He is a strong believer in sound money.

I would really love to understand why the 

govt, regulators and bankers etc ignored these signs. Who is to gain for the current calamity?

I wish I could say for sure but a sound 

monetary system looks pretty attractive to help prevent these kinds of blow ups in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem isn&#8217;t so much a high cash rate (and so mortgage rates) now, it&#8217;s more that people have </p>
<p>borrowed too much money. There is too much debt. It seems to be a failure of regulation. Where the regulators asleep lately to notice the housing </p>
<p>bubble and the debt bubble?</p>
<p>As for the BoE&#8217;s independence. I am not sure about that but doesn&#8217;t someone need to give a mandate to the </p>
<p>central bank? There decisions guided by that mandate, however, _are_ independent, aren&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>A 0.5% rate cut seem pretty significant. </p>
<p>Mortgage rates don&#8217;t seem that high. A lower rate wouldn&#8217;t help if you were unemployed (unless the rate was almost zero). The BoE has already cut </p>
<p>the cash rate to below CPI!! This seems mad to me but I guess it&#8217;s a sign of panic at all levels including the govt.</p>
<p>Not everyone is up to </p>
<p>their eyeballs in debt. I am a saver who chose not to buy into an already overblown housing market back in the late 1990&#8242;s and early 2000&#8242;s. </p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t want to see run away inflation decimate my hard earned savings.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how things can &#8220;get right&#8221; again without a </p>
<p>great deal of pain. A new monetary system could be part of climbing out of the ditch.</p>
<p>Hi Martin, I&#8217;m not sure what a zero-based money </p>
<p>system is but I reckon that people will certainly be thinking about changing the monetary system. If you are interested, I would recommend reading </p>
<p>about Austrian Economics. A good place to start is the <a href="http://mises.org/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/mises.org/?referer=');">Mises Institute</a>. Perhaps you mean a zero-debt </p>
<p>system? That would be similar to a fixed fiat system. Perhaps we will return to the gold standard. We certainly need some natural or imposed limits </p>
<p>of the expansion of money.</p>
<p>Some people have seen this crisis coming for a long time. I just watched the &#8220;Nov 2006 Peter Schiff Mortgage </p>
<p>Bankers Speech&#8221; on YouTube. It&#8217;s very useful listening. He is a strong believer in sound money.</p>
<p>I would really love to understand why the </p>
<p>govt, regulators and bankers etc ignored these signs. Who is to gain for the current calamity?</p>
<p>I wish I could say for sure but a sound </p>
<p>monetary system looks pretty attractive to help prevent these kinds of blow ups in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Hyams</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/10/rates-the-boe-is-not-independent-it-has-a-political-mandate/comment-page-1/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Hyams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand is this: 

Why have we created a debt-based money system?
Why can&#039;t we have a zero-based money 

system instead?

Thanks,
martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is this: </p>
<p>Why have we created a debt-based money system?<br />
Why can&#8217;t we have a zero-based money </p>
<p>system instead?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
martin</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for being on the case. I value your blog very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for being on the case. I value your blog very much.</p>
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