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		<title>By: ian greenwood</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/11/the-boe-has-lost-control/comment-page-1/#comment-1834</link>
		<dc:creator>ian greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anne

Why are the simple mechanisms possible and outlined above stalled and apparently not being taken up by bodies such as NEF and Government as a way of short-circuiting existing cumbersome grant and loan systems?

Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne</p>
<p>Why are the simple mechanisms possible and outlined above stalled and apparently not being taken up by bodies such as NEF and Government as a way of short-circuiting existing cumbersome grant and loan systems?</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: ian greenwood</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/11/the-boe-has-lost-control/comment-page-1/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>ian greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PART OF GREEN NEW DEAL?
The creation of Money to make up some of the shortfall and manage the decline 

was referred to by Evan Davis in a Today programme interview 19-11-08 with Clegg of the LibDems.  The UK was a major source of money supply - 

without rapid action this will decline - but there is much in UK to invest in - first we need insulation and reduction in Gas wastage. 

Evan 

immediately moved on to privately created money.  This is not good, since most of the bank HQs are in London or NY and the money repaid would be 

double the rate that could instead go back to the BofE for re-investment purposes.  WE NEED TO GET TO WORK!  Neither of them brought the 

conversation back to publicly created money except to mention Local authorities and disregard them. Even if loans were created under an interest 

contract based on customers ability to pay, if is effectively free money it should attract a charge to the public purse, thereby reducing inflation 

as interest rates rise as well as providing funds for infrastructure, energy efficiency etc to manage the Transition.  THIS IS THE MISSING BIT OF 

THE MECHANISM THAT ALLOWED AN UNGOVERNABLE ECONOMY for decades. 

A free-for-all of local authority money would not be wise, but a time 

limited phase of that would be OK if the Government and bank of England fail to act. Better/best to have the comprehensive reforms as on 

www.STEERglobal.org 

If local authorities were enabled to create the money, how would this be done, as interest free loans?  Instead it 

would be simpler to each have an allocation of publicly created Bank of England money (debt-free) or credit at no interest via local 

authorities/public banks, based on the ability of the householders in sufficiently well-paid employment to repay over a long period (say when 

incomes are above average incomes).  A sliding scale could be applied to avoid people leaving work especially to achieve free funding, and people 

prepared to DIY could attract a 2/3 grant or loan.

That gives a clear incentive for those in employment to spend say £10k - £20k - 30k on 

their homes for approved purposes - Eco extensions in conjunction with Eco walling/cladding.  Over a 20-30 year period that&#039;s about £20 p.w. - 

less than many spend on a night out.  Building control or all those trained to do HIPs who are now out of work could manage the process - getting 

lots of walls insulated quickly, reducing gas waste.  It would be for GLOBAL BENEFIT and DIRECT the much-talked-about CONSUMPTION FOR THE COMMON 

GOOD.

The quickest start-up of this job is SUPER-ECO INSULATION - 4 Times Better than the Building regulations would be worth going for - 

replace some of the contraction currently going on in the Building industry which - as we say on the previous &#039;post&#039; was a major SOURCE OF MONEY 

SUPPLY VIA LOANS from the rump of earners who should be encouraged to borrow to insulate their houses EXTERNAL SUPER-INSULATION.  Space-age 

technology inside traditional cladding.  The complementary idea for local authorities and landlords is available for high-rise or commercial 

buildings and is pasted below.

This would be be part of a Green New Deal - but it should ideally be global in combination with the Banking 

adjustment and the ET Return from trade to the producer nations for their climate change avoidance projects.  Otherwise these practical 

installations by UK might have little effect by themselves.

What do you all think? 

Ian.Greenwood-at-STEERglobal-dot-org 



***Fast-tracking Regeneration and Energy Conservation for High rise ***
- Wider balconies and glazed finish to improve high and low-rise 

housing -Retaining thermal mass and embodied energy

A general rise in well-being could now be possible for high-rise housing because of the 

possibility of affordably re-cladding and installing high performance wider balconies on existing blocks.  These lift the general appearance of the 

area but at the same time provide easily accessible external living space – winter gardens – see Balco.zip cartoon.  This is desirable not only 

because of the energy saved and reduction in future maintenance costs but also because the retention of the highest quality occupants improves the 

community.  There would be considerable energy savings from no longer always needing to demolish and rebuild in order to regenerate.  It would be a 

way of fast tracking regeneration.  This is entirely necessary because of climate change, energy and food price rises and applies to the UK and 

across the world.  Even in hot countries these simple changes would make natural air-conditioning and insulation possible, reducing both the cost 

of living and climate impact.

Most occupants would then wish to stay and will therefore have more of an investment in their local 

environment encouraging them to take an interest in maintaining it.  Even “problem tenants” would then have less of a free hand - improving the 

environment for everyone - easy access outside the building from a balcony encourages neighbourliness because of the side view.  People would then 

get to know each other more, but also can observe any anti-social behaviour which will therefore decline.   Less reliance on security cameras has 

benefits all round, particularly in reduced staff time monitoring CCTV (police and government should therefore be in favour, etc).

Some of 

the “right to buy” money from purchases can then (ideally) assist in funding of capital investment/refurbishment in the more borderline cases for 

local authority areas.  The value of the space created is therefore much greater than simply the cost of construction.  This is a way of competing 

with those in favour of demolition – retaining existing thermal mass and embodied energy – “energy enveloping” can be much better promoted once a 

few of these improvements are made.

On a typical block some ball-park figures can be arrived at – for example:
The wider balcony might 

cost less than £15k per unit providing what is in effect an extra room.  This also has a sheltering effect on the existing cladding as well as 

reducing energy leakage from existing insulation (which on many blocks has been found to be inadequate due to leakage around the material itself).  

 Grants could be available for installation of further insulation which would then be easily installed and maintained, both inside and outside the 

“garden room” – out-door living space.

How could this new balcony be funded?  A £15 per week (pw) rent increase is much less than the 

increase normally felt under a total reconstruction/relocation package.  (£5 pw of this would be offset from energy savings, but solar gain might 

average another £5 pw over the the spring and autumn quarters).  This indicates a capitation sum of at least £7500 from the rent etc even at high 

interest rates.  The longer life expectancy of the building would justify a similar contribution from the body responsible for external 

maintenance, leaving about £5000 needed from energy saving grants/EU subsidies etc (£400k out of a total cost of £1.6 m for an 80 unit block).  

Balco have offered to build a show unit (see attachments).

Considering the final value of a retained and improved block of 80 units is at 

least £10 - 12 million, the gain to the community is immense justifying further investment by occupants - their own community.  There would be less 

tenant disquiet if they had improved accomodation, therefore less demand on the resources of the landlord or management company.
These figures 

are provided to suggest an ethical reason for further investigation of what could be an exciting new proposal to avoid wasteful demolition of the 

buildings and the long process of rebuilding. In some cases internal wall arrangements could be altered to provide variety in the various sizes of 

units.  The existing communities could, by seizing the opportunity, become the eventual owners of high quality apartments in desirable areas at 

discounted prices – a new dimension in affordable housing.  	See Cartoon on www.Balcouk.com	and description above of how what should be 

generous-sized multi-storey conservatories stack up - feeding energy into the building and reducing future maintenance costs.  	

Contact: 

Ian Greenwood	DIRECT 0121 449 0278
Greenwood Structures and STEERglobal Group						July 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PART OF GREEN NEW DEAL?<br />
The creation of Money to make up some of the shortfall and manage the decline </p>
<p>was referred to by Evan Davis in a Today programme interview 19-11-08 with Clegg of the LibDems.  The UK was a major source of money supply &#8211; </p>
<p>without rapid action this will decline &#8211; but there is much in UK to invest in &#8211; first we need insulation and reduction in Gas wastage. </p>
<p>Evan </p>
<p>immediately moved on to privately created money.  This is not good, since most of the bank HQs are in London or NY and the money repaid would be </p>
<p>double the rate that could instead go back to the BofE for re-investment purposes.  WE NEED TO GET TO WORK!  Neither of them brought the </p>
<p>conversation back to publicly created money except to mention Local authorities and disregard them. Even if loans were created under an interest </p>
<p>contract based on customers ability to pay, if is effectively free money it should attract a charge to the public purse, thereby reducing inflation </p>
<p>as interest rates rise as well as providing funds for infrastructure, energy efficiency etc to manage the Transition.  THIS IS THE MISSING BIT OF </p>
<p>THE MECHANISM THAT ALLOWED AN UNGOVERNABLE ECONOMY for decades. </p>
<p>A free-for-all of local authority money would not be wise, but a time </p>
<p>limited phase of that would be OK if the Government and bank of England fail to act. Better/best to have the comprehensive reforms as on </p>
<p><a href="http://www.STEERglobal.org" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.STEERglobal.org?referer=');">http://www.STEERglobal.org</a> </p>
<p>If local authorities were enabled to create the money, how would this be done, as interest free loans?  Instead it </p>
<p>would be simpler to each have an allocation of publicly created Bank of England money (debt-free) or credit at no interest via local </p>
<p>authorities/public banks, based on the ability of the householders in sufficiently well-paid employment to repay over a long period (say when </p>
<p>incomes are above average incomes).  A sliding scale could be applied to avoid people leaving work especially to achieve free funding, and people </p>
<p>prepared to DIY could attract a 2/3 grant or loan.</p>
<p>That gives a clear incentive for those in employment to spend say £10k &#8211; £20k &#8211; 30k on </p>
<p>their homes for approved purposes &#8211; Eco extensions in conjunction with Eco walling/cladding.  Over a 20-30 year period that&#8217;s about £20 p.w. &#8211; </p>
<p>less than many spend on a night out.  Building control or all those trained to do HIPs who are now out of work could manage the process &#8211; getting </p>
<p>lots of walls insulated quickly, reducing gas waste.  It would be for GLOBAL BENEFIT and DIRECT the much-talked-about CONSUMPTION FOR THE COMMON </p>
<p>GOOD.</p>
<p>The quickest start-up of this job is SUPER-ECO INSULATION &#8211; 4 Times Better than the Building regulations would be worth going for &#8211; </p>
<p>replace some of the contraction currently going on in the Building industry which &#8211; as we say on the previous &#8216;post&#8217; was a major SOURCE OF MONEY </p>
<p>SUPPLY VIA LOANS from the rump of earners who should be encouraged to borrow to insulate their houses EXTERNAL SUPER-INSULATION.  Space-age </p>
<p>technology inside traditional cladding.  The complementary idea for local authorities and landlords is available for high-rise or commercial </p>
<p>buildings and is pasted below.</p>
<p>This would be be part of a Green New Deal &#8211; but it should ideally be global in combination with the Banking </p>
<p>adjustment and the ET Return from trade to the producer nations for their climate change avoidance projects.  Otherwise these practical </p>
<p>installations by UK might have little effect by themselves.</p>
<p>What do you all think? </p>
<p>Ian.Greenwood-at-STEERglobal-dot-org </p>
<p>***Fast-tracking Regeneration and Energy Conservation for High rise ***<br />
- Wider balconies and glazed finish to improve high and low-rise </p>
<p>housing -Retaining thermal mass and embodied energy</p>
<p>A general rise in well-being could now be possible for high-rise housing because of the </p>
<p>possibility of affordably re-cladding and installing high performance wider balconies on existing blocks.  These lift the general appearance of the </p>
<p>area but at the same time provide easily accessible external living space – winter gardens – see Balco.zip cartoon.  This is desirable not only </p>
<p>because of the energy saved and reduction in future maintenance costs but also because the retention of the highest quality occupants improves the </p>
<p>community.  There would be considerable energy savings from no longer always needing to demolish and rebuild in order to regenerate.  It would be a </p>
<p>way of fast tracking regeneration.  This is entirely necessary because of climate change, energy and food price rises and applies to the UK and </p>
<p>across the world.  Even in hot countries these simple changes would make natural air-conditioning and insulation possible, reducing both the cost </p>
<p>of living and climate impact.</p>
<p>Most occupants would then wish to stay and will therefore have more of an investment in their local </p>
<p>environment encouraging them to take an interest in maintaining it.  Even “problem tenants” would then have less of a free hand &#8211; improving the </p>
<p>environment for everyone &#8211; easy access outside the building from a balcony encourages neighbourliness because of the side view.  People would then </p>
<p>get to know each other more, but also can observe any anti-social behaviour which will therefore decline.   Less reliance on security cameras has </p>
<p>benefits all round, particularly in reduced staff time monitoring CCTV (police and government should therefore be in favour, etc).</p>
<p>Some of </p>
<p>the “right to buy” money from purchases can then (ideally) assist in funding of capital investment/refurbishment in the more borderline cases for </p>
<p>local authority areas.  The value of the space created is therefore much greater than simply the cost of construction.  This is a way of competing </p>
<p>with those in favour of demolition – retaining existing thermal mass and embodied energy – “energy enveloping” can be much better promoted once a </p>
<p>few of these improvements are made.</p>
<p>On a typical block some ball-park figures can be arrived at – for example:<br />
The wider balcony might </p>
<p>cost less than £15k per unit providing what is in effect an extra room.  This also has a sheltering effect on the existing cladding as well as </p>
<p>reducing energy leakage from existing insulation (which on many blocks has been found to be inadequate due to leakage around the material itself).  </p>
<p> Grants could be available for installation of further insulation which would then be easily installed and maintained, both inside and outside the </p>
<p>“garden room” – out-door living space.</p>
<p>How could this new balcony be funded?  A £15 per week (pw) rent increase is much less than the </p>
<p>increase normally felt under a total reconstruction/relocation package.  (£5 pw of this would be offset from energy savings, but solar gain might </p>
<p>average another £5 pw over the the spring and autumn quarters).  This indicates a capitation sum of at least £7500 from the rent etc even at high </p>
<p>interest rates.  The longer life expectancy of the building would justify a similar contribution from the body responsible for external </p>
<p>maintenance, leaving about £5000 needed from energy saving grants/EU subsidies etc (£400k out of a total cost of £1.6 m for an 80 unit block).  </p>
<p>Balco have offered to build a show unit (see attachments).</p>
<p>Considering the final value of a retained and improved block of 80 units is at </p>
<p>least £10 &#8211; 12 million, the gain to the community is immense justifying further investment by occupants &#8211; their own community.  There would be less </p>
<p>tenant disquiet if they had improved accomodation, therefore less demand on the resources of the landlord or management company.<br />
These figures </p>
<p>are provided to suggest an ethical reason for further investigation of what could be an exciting new proposal to avoid wasteful demolition of the </p>
<p>buildings and the long process of rebuilding. In some cases internal wall arrangements could be altered to provide variety in the various sizes of </p>
<p>units.  The existing communities could, by seizing the opportunity, become the eventual owners of high quality apartments in desirable areas at </p>
<p>discounted prices – a new dimension in affordable housing.  	See Cartoon on <a href="http://www.Balcouk.com" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.Balcouk.com?referer=');">http://www.Balcouk.com</a>	and description above of how what should be </p>
<p>generous-sized multi-storey conservatories stack up &#8211; feeding energy into the building and reducing future maintenance costs.  	</p>
<p>Contact: </p>
<p>Ian Greenwood	DIRECT 0121 449 0278<br />
Greenwood Structures and STEERglobal Group						July 2008</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/11/the-boe-has-lost-control/comment-page-1/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reckon the 1.5% cut is a sign of panic at the highest levels. There is no incentive to save with 

interest rates at -2%. What&#039;s more is that you get taxed on the 5% you earn.

I&#039;m glad I left the UK last year but there&#039;s really nowhere 

in the world to hide from this recession!

A saver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reckon the 1.5% cut is a sign of panic at the highest levels. There is no incentive to save with </p>
<p>interest rates at -2%. What&#8217;s more is that you get taxed on the 5% you earn.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I left the UK last year but there&#8217;s really nowhere </p>
<p>in the world to hide from this recession!</p>
<p>A saver.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/11/the-boe-has-lost-control/comment-page-1/#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems astonishing but the government still shows absolutely no grasp of the situation.  The government should stop talking about regulation and 

start regulating: actions speaks louder than words. Stop treating the free market financiers like they&#039;re the experts - look at the mess they&#039;ve 

created!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems astonishing but the government still shows absolutely no grasp of the situation.  The government should stop talking about regulation and </p>
<p>start regulating: actions speaks louder than words. Stop treating the free market financiers like they&#8217;re the experts &#8211; look at the mess they&#8217;ve </p>
<p>created!</p>
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