<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The crisis deepens and politicians still don&#8217;t get it</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.debtonation.org/2008/11/the-crisis-deepens-and-politicians-still-dont-get-it/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/11/the-crisis-deepens-and-politicians-still-dont-get-it/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:39:46 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/11/the-crisis-deepens-and-politicians-still-dont-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://debtonation.org/?p=730#comment-424</guid>
		<description>Martin&#039;s absolutely right.

So is Ann. Debt cancellation would be great idea.  Mass civil disobedience to repudiate it would be 

better. But who&#039;s going to jump first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin&#8217;s absolutely right.</p>
<p>So is Ann. Debt cancellation would be great idea.  Mass civil disobedience to repudiate it would be </p>
<p>better. But who&#8217;s going to jump first?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Brian Toye</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/11/the-crisis-deepens-and-politicians-still-dont-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-422</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Toye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://debtonation.org/?p=730#comment-422</guid>
		<description>Unemployment is the greatst scourge If we could stimulate the job market, I am sure it would stimulate mor e confidence in the ecomomy.
Why 

don&#039;t we learn from history? Durig the pre-war depression, FDR Roosevelt and even Hitler embarked on large infrastructure schemes that got 

millions back to work and proved to be a valuable investment in the future of those coutries. I am sure we could find prgrammes that would be 

useful in the future, in fact investment that might even be essential, especialy projects that would help the environment. My own particular 

favourite would be to electrify every railway line in the country. Hitler built the autobahns and the German nation is thankful for that. However, 

the rest of his political philosopy was completely unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unemployment is the greatst scourge If we could stimulate the job market, I am sure it would stimulate mor e confidence in the ecomomy.<br />
Why </p>
<p>don&#8217;t we learn from history? Durig the pre-war depression, FDR Roosevelt and even Hitler embarked on large infrastructure schemes that got </p>
<p>millions back to work and proved to be a valuable investment in the future of those coutries. I am sure we could find prgrammes that would be </p>
<p>useful in the future, in fact investment that might even be essential, especialy projects that would help the environment. My own particular </p>
<p>favourite would be to electrify every railway line in the country. Hitler built the autobahns and the German nation is thankful for that. However, </p>
<p>the rest of his political philosopy was completely unacceptable.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ann Pettifor</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/11/the-crisis-deepens-and-politicians-still-dont-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Pettifor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://debtonation.org/?p=730#comment-420</guid>
		<description>Good comment Martin. And as you, cannot prove to you why such a system would not work. However, the tough bit is 

helping the majority understand, and accept the notion of debt-free money. Then we&#039;ve done that, we have to persuade governments of the virtues of 

debt-free money issued by governments. Henry Ford failed in this mission in the 30s - but that&#039;s no reason why we should not try again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comment Martin. And as you, cannot prove to you why such a system would not work. However, the tough bit is </p>
<p>helping the majority understand, and accept the notion of debt-free money. Then we&#8217;ve done that, we have to persuade governments of the virtues of </p>
<p>debt-free money issued by governments. Henry Ford failed in this mission in the 30s &#8211; but that&#8217;s no reason why we should not try again.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ken MacIntyre</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/11/the-crisis-deepens-and-politicians-still-dont-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken MacIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://debtonation.org/?p=730#comment-419</guid>
		<description>Agreed.

Darling is like a doctor who prescribes whisky to an alcoholic with liver failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>Darling is like a doctor who prescribes whisky to an alcoholic with liver failure.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2008/11/the-crisis-deepens-and-politicians-still-dont-get-it/comment-page-1/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://debtonation.org/?p=730#comment-417</guid>
		<description>Yes, I agree with almost all of what you say. I&#039;ve said myself that government interventions will fail 

in the same way that a flame-thrower will fail to help with a house on fire. Government actions are simply ratcheting up the mountains of 

unsustainable debt.

My proposal is also very simple and, I would argue, a natural extension of your solutions. But it does require a 

paradigm shift, an understanding of the role and the functions of money and the ability to imagine a financial system completely free of debt. 



Many commentators don&#039;t seem to be able to distinguish between the financial system and the economy itslf. We also usually fail to 

distinguish between the money system and the delivery mechanisms or secondaries (the financial institutions and intermediaries). 

And most 

frustratingly we seem unable to appreciate that a safe, secure and just money system can (and should) be completely free of debt (and interest 

rates). We do not need any debt in our financial system. This is absolutely true, but very few of us can really imagine that money can exist 

without a system of interest rates - without debt. 

But the good news is that a failure of imagination can be overcome. 

I propose a 

30-year plan to phase out debt, which will ultimately result in a zero-based money system (whereby all transactions resolve to zero). 
Stage 

1:reduce all interest rates to 0% (including the LIBOR etc)
Stage 2: declare a moratorium on all further debt. Facilitate the repayments of 

existing debt
Stage 3: Replace loans with money - issue money rather than debt

Too simple? I don&#039;t think so. But if you think so, then 

prove to me why a debt-free money system won&#039;t work. I don&#039;t think you can. After all there are plenty of examples of such financial sytems if 

you look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree with almost all of what you say. I&#8217;ve said myself that government interventions will fail </p>
<p>in the same way that a flame-thrower will fail to help with a house on fire. Government actions are simply ratcheting up the mountains of </p>
<p>unsustainable debt.</p>
<p>My proposal is also very simple and, I would argue, a natural extension of your solutions. But it does require a </p>
<p>paradigm shift, an understanding of the role and the functions of money and the ability to imagine a financial system completely free of debt. </p>
<p>Many commentators don&#8217;t seem to be able to distinguish between the financial system and the economy itslf. We also usually fail to </p>
<p>distinguish between the money system and the delivery mechanisms or secondaries (the financial institutions and intermediaries). </p>
<p>And most </p>
<p>frustratingly we seem unable to appreciate that a safe, secure and just money system can (and should) be completely free of debt (and interest </p>
<p>rates). We do not need any debt in our financial system. This is absolutely true, but very few of us can really imagine that money can exist </p>
<p>without a system of interest rates &#8211; without debt. </p>
<p>But the good news is that a failure of imagination can be overcome. </p>
<p>I propose a </p>
<p>30-year plan to phase out debt, which will ultimately result in a zero-based money system (whereby all transactions resolve to zero).<br />
Stage </p>
<p>1:reduce all interest rates to 0% (including the LIBOR etc)<br />
Stage 2: declare a moratorium on all further debt. Facilitate the repayments of </p>
<p>existing debt<br />
Stage 3: Replace loans with money &#8211; issue money rather than debt</p>
<p>Too simple? I don&#8217;t think so. But if you think so, then </p>
<p>prove to me why a debt-free money system won&#8217;t work. I don&#8217;t think you can. After all there are plenty of examples of such financial sytems if </p>
<p>you look.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

