Comments on: ‘Muddling through’ – bishops, finance & the establishment http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/muddling-through-the-church-and-the-british-establishment/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:39:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: Debtonation » Blog Archive » Deutsche Bank - the idolatrous bank http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/muddling-through-the-church-and-the-british-establishment/comment-page-1/#comment-976 Debtonation » Blog Archive » Deutsche Bank - the idolatrous bank Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:14:02 +0000 http://debtonation.org/?p=1285#comment-976 [...] January this year (see my blog of that month) Bishop Wolfgan Huber, leader of the German Evangelical Church attacked the CEO of [...] [...] January

this year (see my blog of that month) Bishop Wolfgan Huber, leader of the German Evangelical Church attacked the CEO of [...]

]]> By: Debtonation » Blog Archive » Deutsche Bank the idolatrous bank http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/muddling-through-the-church-and-the-british-establishment/comment-page-1/#comment-973 Debtonation » Blog Archive » Deutsche Bank the idolatrous bank Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:01:29 +0000 http://debtonation.org/?p=1285#comment-973 [...] January this year (see my blog of that month) Bishop Wolfgan Huber, leader of the German Evangelical Church attacked the CEO of [...] [...] January

this year (see my blog of that month) Bishop Wolfgan Huber, leader of the German Evangelical Church attacked the CEO of [...]

]]> By: Nicholas Colloff http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/muddling-through-the-church-and-the-british-establishment/comment-page-1/#comment-577 Nicholas Colloff Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:26:59 +0000 http://debtonation.org/?p=1285#comment-577 Sorry I missed a phrase after Luther, a very salutary rejoinder to Simon Jenkins... Sorry I missed a phrase after Luther, a very salutary rejoinder to Simon Jenkins…

]]> By: Nicholas Colloff http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/muddling-through-the-church-and-the-british-establishment/comment-page-1/#comment-576 Nicholas Colloff Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:25:59 +0000 http://debtonation.org/?p=1285#comment-576 Apart from the dubious equation of 'German' & 'Protestant' & independence of mind, not borne out by history, especially in relation to the state, and beginning with Luther A re-examination of traditional Christian teaching on interest (pre-Calvin) and its relation to usury would be very welcome and salutary at this time as we, hopefully, rethink our financial system. Apart from the dubious equation of ‘German’ & ‘Protestant’ & independence of mind, not borne out by history, especially in

relation to the state, and beginning with Luther A re-examination of traditional Christian teaching on interest (pre-Calvin) and its relation to

usury would be very welcome and salutary at this time as we, hopefully, rethink our financial system.

]]> By: Robin Woodburn http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/muddling-through-the-church-and-the-british-establishment/comment-page-1/#comment-573 Robin Woodburn Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:13:33 +0000 http://debtonation.org/?p=1285#comment-573 I must say, I read Jenkins' piece rather differently. I thought he wasn't complaining necessarily about bishops, but about anyone who hopes for a different, and better world. Such people, he implies, are simply dreamers, and the same old order will trundle on, no matter what. Jenkins occasionally makes good points, but this was a particularly cretinous article. I think things are bound to change as a result of the past few months, and whether or not it will be better or worse is up to us. I must say, I read Jenkins’ piece rather differently. I thought he wasn’t complaining necessarily about bishops, but

about anyone who hopes for a different, and better world. Such people, he implies, are simply dreamers, and the same old order will trundle on, no

matter what. Jenkins occasionally makes good points, but this was a particularly cretinous article. I think things are bound to change as a result

of the past few months, and whether or not it will be better or worse is up to us.

]]> By: john fletcher http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/muddling-through-the-church-and-the-british-establishment/comment-page-1/#comment-562 john fletcher Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:02:46 +0000 http://debtonation.org/?p=1285#comment-562 Some of the Christmas stuff from the bishops reminded me strongly of the great denunciations by sixteenth century bishops of the rich during enclosures and the financial speculation and the social impoverishment which followed the dissolution of the monasteries. Some of the Christmas stuff from the bishops reminded me strongly of the great denunciations by sixteenth century bishops of the rich

during enclosures and the financial speculation and the social impoverishment which followed the dissolution of the monasteries.

]]> By: Brian P. Smith http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/muddling-through-the-church-and-the-british-establishment/comment-page-1/#comment-560 Brian P. Smith Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:40:28 +0000 http://debtonation.org/?p=1285#comment-560 WELL SAID! Especially the last comment. It is all very well to say that the church should have said something earlier, but they would have doubtless been told to mind their own business and stick with religion (which is not what they deal with anyway - thier speciality is actually faith!) And I agree that Mr Jenkins is delusional - who can honestly say the British establishment has done the right thing and will muddle through? Only someone who WANTS to belive that! WELL SAID! Especially the last comment. It is all very well to say that the church should have said something earlier, but they would

have doubtless been told to mind their own business and stick with religion (which is not what they deal with anyway – thier speciality is actually

faith!) And I agree that Mr Jenkins is delusional – who can honestly say the British establishment has done the right thing and will muddle

through? Only someone who WANTS to belive that!

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