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	<title>Comments on: The crisis in Ireland</title>
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		<title>By: Ken MacIntyre</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/the-crisis-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-589</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken MacIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should the Irish people or anyone else for that matter be crippled economically by the debts arising from financial speculation? 

This bailout of banks is insane. We could create a new money system tomorrow and let the lot go under. RBS has £1trn debts - is the UK taxpayer 

going to underwrite what should in reality be cancelled (derivatives, hedge funds, private equity- all should be wiped out) and see our public 

services shredded  for the benefit of a tiny number of Anglo-American financial oligarchs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should the Irish people or anyone else for that matter be crippled economically by the debts arising from financial speculation? </p>
<p>This bailout of banks is insane. We could create a new money system tomorrow and let the lot go under. RBS has £1trn debts &#8211; is the UK taxpayer </p>
<p>going to underwrite what should in reality be cancelled (derivatives, hedge funds, private equity- all should be wiped out) and see our public </p>
<p>services shredded  for the benefit of a tiny number of Anglo-American financial oligarchs?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/the-crisis-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-583</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Douthwaite invited me to give the FEASTA annual lecture in December

here

http://www.feasta-

multimedia.org/2008/Chris_Cook.mov

and here

http://www.slideshare.net/ChrisJCook/equity-shares-a-solution-to-the-credit-crash-

presentation

My thinking, based upon a career reaching top level in financial markets (and I am increasingly being consulted by governments 

looking for solutions), is that rather than addressing the Quantity of financial claims over assets, we should have a new look at the nature, or 

Quality, of the claims, by literally reinventing what we mean by &quot;Equity&quot;.

So I&#039;m advocating a &quot;Debt/Equity swap&quot; on a large scale through 

unitisation of property (land) rentals...just not equity as we know it....

There isn&#039;t very much equitable about a limited liability 

corporation as an enterprise model, after all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Douthwaite invited me to give the FEASTA annual lecture in December</p>
<p>here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.feasta-" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.feasta-?referer=');">http://www.feasta-</a></p>
<p>multimedia.org/2008/Chris_Cook.mov</p>
<p>and here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/ChrisJCook/equity-shares-a-solution-to-the-credit-crash-" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.slideshare.net/ChrisJCook/equity-shares-a-solution-to-the-credit-crash-?referer=');">http://www.slideshare.net/ChrisJCook/equity-shares-a-solution-to-the-credit-crash-</a></p>
<p>presentation</p>
<p>My thinking, based upon a career reaching top level in financial markets (and I am increasingly being consulted by governments </p>
<p>looking for solutions), is that rather than addressing the Quantity of financial claims over assets, we should have a new look at the nature, or </p>
<p>Quality, of the claims, by literally reinventing what we mean by &#8220;Equity&#8221;.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m advocating a &#8220;Debt/Equity swap&#8221; on a large scale through </p>
<p>unitisation of property (land) rentals&#8230;just not equity as we know it&#8230;.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t very much equitable about a limited liability </p>
<p>corporation as an enterprise model, after all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TheTraderBlog.com &#187; Tuesday Links</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/the-crisis-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTraderBlog.com &#187; Tuesday Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Crisis In Ireland - &#8220;One newspaper headline declared yesterday that in this country of 

just 5 million people, 5,000 are being laid off every week. In October there were 260,300 claimants on a seasonally adjusted basis, up by a mammoth 

57.1% on a year earlier, and by 6 .5% on the previous month (the largest ever monthly jump in claimant numbers.)”&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Crisis In Ireland &#8211; &#8220;One newspaper headline declared yesterday that in this country of </p>
<p>just 5 million people, 5,000 are being laid off every week. In October there were 260,300 claimants on a seasonally adjusted basis, up by a mammoth </p>
<p>57.1% on a year earlier, and by 6 .5% on the previous month (the largest ever monthly jump in claimant numbers.)”&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Colloff</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/the-crisis-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-581</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Colloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if there is any research on how &#039;easy&#039; money distorts decision making and the allocation of resources, without regard to the 

price of that money? Because I agree with you Ann that is what has happened.

I have seen it happen in many contexts; for example, a 

charitable foundation I once ran always made the best decisions when its resources were low and needed to be rationed rather when they were high. 

But it would be interesting to see if someone has worked out the psychological/social mechanisms that make this so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there is any research on how &#8216;easy&#8217; money distorts decision making and the allocation of resources, without regard to the </p>
<p>price of that money? Because I agree with you Ann that is what has happened.</p>
<p>I have seen it happen in many contexts; for example, a </p>
<p>charitable foundation I once ran always made the best decisions when its resources were low and needed to be rationed rather when they were high. </p>
<p>But it would be interesting to see if someone has worked out the psychological/social mechanisms that make this so.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Pettifor</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/the-crisis-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-580</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Pettifor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, 

Thanks for this comment....I see things the other way around; we&#039;ve got too many cars, and too 

much over-capacity because of too much, too easy credit was issued recklessly by the finance sector, and with government and central banks 

conveniently turning a blind eye......But now that credit has inflated these markets to bursting point, there is a mess to clear up, and the 

issuers of credit - the private finance sector - are reluctant to clear it up. Instead they are simply raising the borrowing costs of 

companies/households already overburdened by debt....by excessive inventories, and by workers that now must be made redundant so that creditors can 

be repaid....That is how it looks from my perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, </p>
<p>Thanks for this comment&#8230;.I see things the other way around; we&#8217;ve got too many cars, and too </p>
<p>much over-capacity because of too much, too easy credit was issued recklessly by the finance sector, and with government and central banks </p>
<p>conveniently turning a blind eye&#8230;&#8230;But now that credit has inflated these markets to bursting point, there is a mess to clear up, and the </p>
<p>issuers of credit &#8211; the private finance sector &#8211; are reluctant to clear it up. Instead they are simply raising the borrowing costs of </p>
<p>companies/households already overburdened by debt&#8230;.by excessive inventories, and by workers that now must be made redundant so that creditors can </p>
<p>be repaid&#8230;.That is how it looks from my perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/the-crisis-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it the whole story to say that Ireland&#039;s (or Europe&#039;s, for that matter) problems are due to the credit crunch.

Aren&#039;t 

there additional issues beneath the surface, such as the shift to Asian manufacturing and the general overcapacity in the world economy (eg too 

many car manufacturers)?

In that context, isn&#039;t the credit crunch the straw that is breaking the camel&#039;s back, already weighed down as it 

is by these other problems?

Shouldn&#039;t we be discussing these other issues to a greater extent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it the whole story to say that Ireland&#8217;s (or Europe&#8217;s, for that matter) problems are due to the credit crunch.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t </p>
<p>there additional issues beneath the surface, such as the shift to Asian manufacturing and the general overcapacity in the world economy (eg too </p>
<p>many car manufacturers)?</p>
<p>In that context, isn&#8217;t the credit crunch the straw that is breaking the camel&#8217;s back, already weighed down as it </p>
<p>is by these other problems?</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t we be discussing these other issues to a greater extent?</p>
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		<title>By: Sign of the Times &#171; 86th and Lexington</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/the-crisis-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Sign of the Times &#171; 86th and Lexington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the rest of the world are going to hell in a handbasket as 

well.  In Ireland for example, Debtonation comments that One newspaper headline declared yesterday that in this country of just 5 million [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the rest of the world are going to hell in a handbasket as </p>
<p>well.  In Ireland for example, Debtonation comments that One newspaper headline declared yesterday that in this country of just 5 million [...]</p>
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		<title>By: eyebee</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/the-crisis-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>eyebee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good reason for the few remaining EU countries to stay out of the Euro. The EU has never done any use except create 

another wasteful level of costly uneeded bureaucracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good reason for the few remaining EU countries to stay out of the Euro. The EU has never done any use except create </p>
<p>another wasteful level of costly uneeded bureaucracy.</p>
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		<title>By: v2020</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/01/the-crisis-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>v2020</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To survive, we all know that companies must have a solid strategic plan, a way to get from the recession point today, to create a 

secure footing, a solid foundation to secure their future, Ireland Inc’s future.

Now wouldn’t it be great for the Taoiseach, The Minister of 

Finance, the Tanaiste to be able to stand up, deliver a speech that not only acknowledged this…

but had a solution
....a solution that 

saved jobs
....a solution that started to give hope 

Because, we know deep down, we as a nation deserve this – it’s our heritage



As you will see I am passionate to see Ireland succeed -  as are the huge team of
business experts who have already joined us - who will roll 

up their sleeves and
work with the banks to create this foundation, this foundation for success – we just
need help to give it a push, some 

momentum and with momentum we can be off - why

because we can, yes we can!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To survive, we all know that companies must have a solid strategic plan, a way to get from the recession point today, to create a </p>
<p>secure footing, a solid foundation to secure their future, Ireland Inc’s future.</p>
<p>Now wouldn’t it be great for the Taoiseach, The Minister of </p>
<p>Finance, the Tanaiste to be able to stand up, deliver a speech that not only acknowledged this…</p>
<p>but had a solution<br />
&#8230;.a solution that </p>
<p>saved jobs<br />
&#8230;.a solution that started to give hope </p>
<p>Because, we know deep down, we as a nation deserve this – it’s our heritage</p>
<p>As you will see I am passionate to see Ireland succeed &#8211;  as are the huge team of<br />
business experts who have already joined us &#8211; who will roll </p>
<p>up their sleeves and<br />
work with the banks to create this foundation, this foundation for success – we just<br />
need help to give it a push, some </p>
<p>momentum and with momentum we can be off &#8211; why</p>
<p>because we can, yes we can!</p>
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