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		<title>By: ann</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/03/restoring-faith-in-finance/comment-page-1/#comment-890</link>
		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, this is a fantastic link...thanks for it...will go after the magazine too. Do you think they have been reading the 

blog?  There are so few thinking along these lines...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, this is a fantastic link&#8230;thanks for it&#8230;will go after the magazine too. Do you think they have been reading the </p>
<p>blog?  There are so few thinking along these lines&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: john fletcher</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/03/restoring-faith-in-finance/comment-page-1/#comment-887</link>
		<dc:creator>john fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Obama administration unveils its $1 trillion plan to buy toxic assets from banks and restore the financial system. But should we 

return to the way it was? We speak with Chicago lawyer Thomas Geoghegan about his new Harper’s Magazine cover story, “Infinite Debt: How Unlimited 

Interest Rates Destroyed the Economy.” Geoghegan writes, “We dismantled the most ancient of human laws, the law against usury, which had existed in 

some form in every civilization from the time of the Babylonian Empire to the end of Jimmy Carter’s term.”&quot;



http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/thomas-geoghegan-“infinite-debt-how-unlimite-debt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Obama administration unveils its $1 trillion plan to buy toxic assets from banks and restore the financial system. But should we </p>
<p>return to the way it was? We speak with Chicago lawyer Thomas Geoghegan about his new Harper’s Magazine cover story, “Infinite Debt: How Unlimited </p>
<p>Interest Rates Destroyed the Economy.” Geoghegan writes, “We dismantled the most ancient of human laws, the law against usury, which had existed in </p>
<p>some form in every civilization from the time of the Babylonian Empire to the end of Jimmy Carter’s term.”&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: C. Rasjid</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/03/restoring-faith-in-finance/comment-page-1/#comment-871</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Rasjid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an economics forum, I posted an outline proposal (only for debate) of a Fix Money Supply Full Gold Standard.

&quot;...Deflation is 

trivial as long as it is predictable and stable....In this gold standard, savings is never debased and has a &quot;natural rate of return&quot; through 

deflation. Debasement of savings is only possible through a variable money supply system as in the current US FRB system.

The importance in 

only trusting Gold is that in times of political uncertainties, countries holding Gold don&#039;t need to worry about unilateral abrogation of 

international treaties. Gold is in this way better than SDR.
 
Fractional Reserve Banking has great drawbacks as: 
1) variable money 

supply - this is the actual reason for this current economics crisis. It is the source of all instabilities in interest rates, prices, mis-

allocation of savings, etc.

The problem of the current US housing crisis, foreclosure, availability of refinancing,etc is all about 

instability, unpredictability and risks. Those who bought properties at the market bubble top has no recourse - it is just bad.

A parallel 

can be found in the Asian Crisis when currency and interest rates volatility put borrowers to insolvencies.         

With my simple model, a 

school teacher may start teaching at 21, works and saves for 10 years and buys a house at 31 without any need to consult any investment advisor to 

know if it is time to buy - prices have dropped 21 % from 10 years ago and there never was any top nor bottom. He knows all the risks involve as 

economic life is, first of all, predictable. 
Money that is not limited from the supply side trying to match and service the GDP which is a 

collection of physical goods limited from the supply has unpredictable consequences. 
This is the root cause of the current global financial 

crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an economics forum, I posted an outline proposal (only for debate) of a Fix Money Supply Full Gold Standard.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Deflation is </p>
<p>trivial as long as it is predictable and stable&#8230;.In this gold standard, savings is never debased and has a &#8220;natural rate of return&#8221; through </p>
<p>deflation. Debasement of savings is only possible through a variable money supply system as in the current US FRB system.</p>
<p>The importance in </p>
<p>only trusting Gold is that in times of political uncertainties, countries holding Gold don&#8217;t need to worry about unilateral abrogation of </p>
<p>international treaties. Gold is in this way better than SDR.</p>
<p>Fractional Reserve Banking has great drawbacks as:<br />
1) variable money </p>
<p>supply &#8211; this is the actual reason for this current economics crisis. It is the source of all instabilities in interest rates, prices, mis-</p>
<p>allocation of savings, etc.</p>
<p>The problem of the current US housing crisis, foreclosure, availability of refinancing,etc is all about </p>
<p>instability, unpredictability and risks. Those who bought properties at the market bubble top has no recourse &#8211; it is just bad.</p>
<p>A parallel </p>
<p>can be found in the Asian Crisis when currency and interest rates volatility put borrowers to insolvencies.         </p>
<p>With my simple model, a </p>
<p>school teacher may start teaching at 21, works and saves for 10 years and buys a house at 31 without any need to consult any investment advisor to </p>
<p>know if it is time to buy &#8211; prices have dropped 21 % from 10 years ago and there never was any top nor bottom. He knows all the risks involve as </p>
<p>economic life is, first of all, predictable.<br />
Money that is not limited from the supply side trying to match and service the GDP which is a </p>
<p>collection of physical goods limited from the supply has unpredictable consequences.<br />
This is the root cause of the current global financial </p>
<p>crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: rom</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/03/restoring-faith-in-finance/comment-page-1/#comment-858</link>
		<dc:creator>rom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Energy trickles down from the sun to the plants and from there trickles up from the lowest stage of prey to the highest stage of predator , this 

demand sided distribution allows for the equilibrium that prevents the system from collapsing ,avoiding an overgrowth of predators that would crash 

the existence of the system.&quot;

It is inevitable that if man is freed from any religious constraints, his highest aim is going to be wealth, 

power and materialism. Thus given the chance he will tilt the system in his favour together with his &#039;class&#039; or friends and they will not care 

about anything but increase. They may even buy scholars who will justify their operations for them...e.g. free markets, and trickle down 

economics.

The truth is the financial industry is parasitical and the real producers are robbed by the parasites. They use the power of the 

State to do their bidding for them, if the State stopped supporting the parasites through bail outs, and laws which protect them and their 

industry, it would collapse allowing the free market to operate. These people who interfere and meddle in economics have no knowledge and their 

meddling usually results in all sorts of negative results, it would be better if they just humbled themselves  and left everyone to organize their 

own lives without their omniscience. They just cannot help themselves, interfering gives them self-importance and they tend to benefit the bankers 

with their policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Energy trickles down from the sun to the plants and from there trickles up from the lowest stage of prey to the highest stage of predator , this </p>
<p>demand sided distribution allows for the equilibrium that prevents the system from collapsing ,avoiding an overgrowth of predators that would crash </p>
<p>the existence of the system.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is inevitable that if man is freed from any religious constraints, his highest aim is going to be wealth, </p>
<p>power and materialism. Thus given the chance he will tilt the system in his favour together with his &#8216;class&#8217; or friends and they will not care </p>
<p>about anything but increase. They may even buy scholars who will justify their operations for them&#8230;e.g. free markets, and trickle down </p>
<p>economics.</p>
<p>The truth is the financial industry is parasitical and the real producers are robbed by the parasites. They use the power of the </p>
<p>State to do their bidding for them, if the State stopped supporting the parasites through bail outs, and laws which protect them and their </p>
<p>industry, it would collapse allowing the free market to operate. These people who interfere and meddle in economics have no knowledge and their </p>
<p>meddling usually results in all sorts of negative results, it would be better if they just humbled themselves  and left everyone to organize their </p>
<p>own lives without their omniscience. They just cannot help themselves, interfering gives them self-importance and they tend to benefit the bankers </p>
<p>with their policies.</p>
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		<title>By: rom</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/03/restoring-faith-in-finance/comment-page-1/#comment-857</link>
		<dc:creator>rom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann

The State funds its gigantic wars through fractional reserve banking, and it increases its powers through this type of banking system. 

The victims are the people whose wealth is taxed or taken through &#039;inflation&#039; by financial industry insiders who use the new money before it 

filters down and creates inflation. Democratic politicians largely support such a system for their own ends or are powerless to change the system 

they depend on. The politicians act as a buffer between the people and the bankers giving the appearance they are in charge allowing the Bankers 

free reign and at the same time getting some fame and fortune (and feelings of greatness and self importance no doubt) for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann</p>
<p>The State funds its gigantic wars through fractional reserve banking, and it increases its powers through this type of banking system. </p>
<p>The victims are the people whose wealth is taxed or taken through &#8216;inflation&#8217; by financial industry insiders who use the new money before it </p>
<p>filters down and creates inflation. Democratic politicians largely support such a system for their own ends or are powerless to change the system </p>
<p>they depend on. The politicians act as a buffer between the people and the bankers giving the appearance they are in charge allowing the Bankers </p>
<p>free reign and at the same time getting some fame and fortune (and feelings of greatness and self importance no doubt) for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Pettifor</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/03/restoring-faith-in-finance/comment-page-1/#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Pettifor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this John, think I knew that largely from Pat Conaty, a good friend, who has a deep knowledge of the 

history of progressive movements...he works with the  new economics foundation, and this is one of his publications...



http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/z_sys_publicationdetail.aspx?pid=164</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this John, think I knew that largely from Pat Conaty, a good friend, who has a deep knowledge of the </p>
<p>history of progressive movements&#8230;he works with the  new economics foundation, and this is one of his publications&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/z_sys_publicationdetail.aspx?pid=164" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.neweconomics.org/gen/z_sys_publicationdetail.aspx?pid=164&amp;referer=');">http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/z_sys_publicationdetail.aspx?pid=164</a></p>
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		<title>By: john fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>john fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>william jennings bryan, who appears in the Wizard of Oz, has had rather a bad deal from history because of his role in the 

Scopes/Monkey Darwin trial of 1925.

What is often conveniently forgotten about the trial is that Jennings - as a social progressive - was 

mainly opposed to Darwinism in its Social Darwinist/Survival of the Fittest/Capitalism Red in Tooth and Claw incarnation.

As a christian he 

defended ordinary peoples&#039; working conditions and work hours against what he saw as the relentless advance of an inhuman and deeply exploitative 

form of capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>william jennings bryan, who appears in the Wizard of Oz, has had rather a bad deal from history because of his role in the </p>
<p>Scopes/Monkey Darwin trial of 1925.</p>
<p>What is often conveniently forgotten about the trial is that Jennings &#8211; as a social progressive &#8211; was </p>
<p>mainly opposed to Darwinism in its Social Darwinist/Survival of the Fittest/Capitalism Red in Tooth and Claw incarnation.</p>
<p>As a christian he </p>
<p>defended ordinary peoples&#8217; working conditions and work hours against what he saw as the relentless advance of an inhuman and deeply exploitative </p>
<p>form of capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: ann</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/03/restoring-faith-in-finance/comment-page-1/#comment-824</link>
		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm interesting Matthew....have just re-read Mankiw on the wizard of Oz too...see here:
 


http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2006/05/wonderful-wizard-of-oz.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm interesting Matthew&#8230;.have just re-read Mankiw on the wizard of Oz too&#8230;see here:</p>
<p><a href="http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2006/05/wonderful-wizard-of-oz.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2006/05/wonderful-wizard-of-oz.html?referer=');">http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2006/05/wonderful-wizard-of-oz.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Slater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coincidentally the BBC just ran an article about possible economic allegorical intentions behind Wizard of Oz.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7933175.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coincidentally the BBC just ran an article about possible economic allegorical intentions behind Wizard of Oz.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7933175.stm" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7933175.stm?referer=');">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7933175.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: richard campos</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/03/restoring-faith-in-finance/comment-page-1/#comment-856</link>
		<dc:creator>richard campos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stubborn insistence in continuing to pour money on wall street smells fishy, irresponsible and ultimately perilsome.
Energy 

trickles down from the sun to the plants and from there trickles up from the lowest stage of prey to the highest stage of predator , this demand 

sided distribution allows for the equilibrium that prevents the system from collapsing ,avoiding an overgrowth of predators that would crash the 

existence of the system. This is a qualitative model of distribution that allows for symmetrical  allotment by symmetrical alignment of variables 

that prevent the system from distorting its shape(geometry), structure-function, (topology)and ecological-evolutionary qualities (non linear 

dynamic partial differential equations). This should also be the logic for the distribution of money, if you pour more money on the top of the 

income bracket, instead of money trickling down, you encourage growth of more predators that ultimately end up crashing the systems equilibrium by 

terminating other species and driving us all to extinction by inevitable Global war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stubborn insistence in continuing to pour money on wall street smells fishy, irresponsible and ultimately perilsome.<br />
Energy </p>
<p>trickles down from the sun to the plants and from there trickles up from the lowest stage of prey to the highest stage of predator , this demand </p>
<p>sided distribution allows for the equilibrium that prevents the system from collapsing ,avoiding an overgrowth of predators that would crash the </p>
<p>existence of the system. This is a qualitative model of distribution that allows for symmetrical  allotment by symmetrical alignment of variables </p>
<p>that prevent the system from distorting its shape(geometry), structure-function, (topology)and ecological-evolutionary qualities (non linear </p>
<p>dynamic partial differential equations). This should also be the logic for the distribution of money, if you pour more money on the top of the </p>
<p>income bracket, instead of money trickling down, you encourage growth of more predators that ultimately end up crashing the systems equilibrium by </p>
<p>terminating other species and driving us all to extinction by inevitable Global war.</p>
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