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	<title>Comments on: Iceland – a country of proud, indebted people</title>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
		<link>http://www.debtonation.org/2009/05/iceland-%e2%80%93-a-country-of-proud-indebted-people/comment-page-1/#comment-1010</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 21:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>subrosa,the icelandic state does not have to compensate Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander depositors as it has nothing to do with the matter. It´s 

a british bank, not an icelandic one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>subrosa,the icelandic state does not have to compensate Kaupthing Singer and Friedlander depositors as it has nothing to do with the matter. It´s </p>
<p>a british bank, not an icelandic one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakobína</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakobína</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my knowledge non-indexed loans have not been an option for families financing their homes in Iceland. 

The loans are indexed to 

inflation or a foreign currency. This is far more complex than it looks. The model used for the indexing does not reflect the inflation correctly 

and the compounding effect of this is enormous for the debtors. 

The use of this indexing model has been eating up families’ properties 

leaving 20 to 40% of them with negative equities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my knowledge non-indexed loans have not been an option for families financing their homes in Iceland. </p>
<p>The loans are indexed to </p>
<p>inflation or a foreign currency. This is far more complex than it looks. The model used for the indexing does not reflect the inflation correctly </p>
<p>and the compounding effect of this is enormous for the debtors. </p>
<p>The use of this indexing model has been eating up families’ properties </p>
<p>leaving 20 to 40% of them with negative equities.</p>
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		<title>By: john fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>john fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 08:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Effectiveness is maintained by revising the regulations every two weeks to fix loopholes.

Hmmmm. Wonder if we&#039;ll do that 

when (and if) we introduce regulations? Somehow it seems just too much like common sense and wanting to do something to protect ourselves from 

bankers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Effectiveness is maintained by revising the regulations every two weeks to fix loopholes.</p>
<p>Hmmmm. Wonder if we&#8217;ll do that </p>
<p>when (and if) we introduce regulations? Somehow it seems just too much like common sense and wanting to do something to protect ourselves from </p>
<p>bankers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Pettifor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Pettifor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 07:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Erlendur.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Erlendur&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Kristjan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank 

you for this very good article.
I have one point to add to the comments of Erlendur here above. He is absolutely correct, but the fact was that 

(at least for &quot;average Joe&quot; customers) there were only two options for loans on residential property.
Option a) being the index-linked loans, 

option b) being the foreign currency-linked loans. The forex-linked loans were particularly pushed for residential property and car loans and re-

financing of such loans.

The option of an Icelandic currency loan without index-linking was simply not available for residential property (I 

hunted high and low for such loans all over a couple of years back) but often available for other loans.

The option for someone trying to 

avoid index-linking was therefore only to link to currency instead.

As a final point, yes the deflation would lower the principal, (creating 

an odd pressure into a risky state) good in small doses of course. However apparently it can never (anymore - I am told this was different in older 

loans) go lower than initial principal sum. Creating of course the obvious balance towards the benefit of the creditor, who can only ever win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank </p>
<p>you for this very good article.<br />
I have one point to add to the comments of Erlendur here above. He is absolutely correct, but the fact was that </p>
<p>(at least for &#8220;average Joe&#8221; customers) there were only two options for loans on residential property.<br />
Option a) being the index-linked loans, </p>
<p>option b) being the foreign currency-linked loans. The forex-linked loans were particularly pushed for residential property and car loans and re-</p>
<p>financing of such loans.</p>
<p>The option of an Icelandic currency loan without index-linking was simply not available for residential property (I </p>
<p>hunted high and low for such loans all over a couple of years back) but often available for other loans.</p>
<p>The option for someone trying to </p>
<p>avoid index-linking was therefore only to link to currency instead.</p>
<p>As a final point, yes the deflation would lower the principal, (creating </p>
<p>an odd pressure into a risky state) good in small doses of course. However apparently it can never (anymore &#8211; I am told this was different in older </p>
<p>loans) go lower than initial principal sum. Creating of course the obvious balance towards the benefit of the creditor, who can only ever win.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakobína</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakobína</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my knowledge non-indexed loans have not been an option for families finansing their homes in Iceland. 

The loans are indexed to 

inflation or a foreign currency. This is far more complex than it looks. The model used for the indexing does not reflect the inflation correctly 

and the conpounding effect of this is enormous for the deptors. 

The use of this indexing model has been eating up families&#039; properties 

leaving 20 to 40% of them with negative equities</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my knowledge non-indexed loans have not been an option for families finansing their homes in Iceland. </p>
<p>The loans are indexed to </p>
<p>inflation or a foreign currency. This is far more complex than it looks. The model used for the indexing does not reflect the inflation correctly </p>
<p>and the conpounding effect of this is enormous for the deptors. </p>
<p>The use of this indexing model has been eating up families&#8217; properties </p>
<p>leaving 20 to 40% of them with negative equities</p>
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		<title>By: Icelander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icelander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ratings firms, I was told, maintained the AAA status of Icelandic banks until two days after the collapse of these banks. Have not been able to 

check this.&quot; 

Wrong, for example Kaupthing had a Aa3 rating from Moodys.

&quot;In a bid to lower employer costs, people have had 2 working 

hours cut each week.&quot; 

Wrong, there has been no general agreement to cut work time.

Stefan Olafsson, who is a professor of Sociology, 

not economics is a controversial pundet in Iceland, so using him as a main source for you artical is questionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ratings firms, I was told, maintained the AAA status of Icelandic banks until two days after the collapse of these banks. Have not been able to </p>
<p>check this.&#8221; </p>
<p>Wrong, for example Kaupthing had a Aa3 rating from Moodys.</p>
<p>&#8220;In a bid to lower employer costs, people have had 2 working </p>
<p>hours cut each week.&#8221; </p>
<p>Wrong, there has been no general agreement to cut work time.</p>
<p>Stefan Olafsson, who is a professor of Sociology, </p>
<p>not economics is a controversial pundet in Iceland, so using him as a main source for you artical is questionable.</p>
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		<title>By: Erlendur Jónsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erlendur Jónsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 02:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the genitive is appropriate, but I for one prefer the nominative when writing Icelandic names in other 

languages, prevents spelling based misunderstandings since four different spellings of the same name can confuse people a lot. So it just comes 

down to taste :)

But concerning the indexing, if deflation occurs, such as in March of this year, the principal is cut, as was done in this 

case, by 0.6%. So if Iceland would a long period of deflation, these loans could be cut a considerable amount. 

Alex, the rationale behind 

the indexing of the loans (and long term deposits, min. 3 yr binding) was to reduce uncertainity of the value of money, i.e. the Icelandic króna. 

Iceland has historically had very high inflation, so this was done to counteract the effects of the inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the genitive is appropriate, but I for one prefer the nominative when writing Icelandic names in other </p>
<p>languages, prevents spelling based misunderstandings since four different spellings of the same name can confuse people a lot. So it just comes </p>
<p>down to taste <img src='http://www.debtonation.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But concerning the indexing, if deflation occurs, such as in March of this year, the principal is cut, as was done in this </p>
<p>case, by 0.6%. So if Iceland would a long period of deflation, these loans could be cut a considerable amount. </p>
<p>Alex, the rationale behind </p>
<p>the indexing of the loans (and long term deposits, min. 3 yr binding) was to reduce uncertainity of the value of money, i.e. the Icelandic króna. </p>
<p>Iceland has historically had very high inflation, so this was done to counteract the effects of the inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erlendur, 

Thank you very much for these corrections. But surely the genitive - the daughter of -  would 

be appropriate here? Or is just not used, with the inflexion preferred?

On the point about indexed loans....Does this means that when 

deflation occurs, the principal owed to the creditor is cut, in line with the rate of deflation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erlendur, </p>
<p>Thank you very much for these corrections. But surely the genitive &#8211; the daughter of &#8211;  would </p>
<p>be appropriate here? Or is just not used, with the inflexion preferred?</p>
<p>On the point about indexed loans&#8230;.Does this means that when </p>
<p>deflation occurs, the principal owed to the creditor is cut, in line with the rate of deflation?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Lennon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Lennon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 10:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting thanks Ann. What&#039;s the official rationale for indexing their debts to inflation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting thanks Ann. What&#8217;s the official rationale for indexing their debts to inflation?</p>
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